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Campbell on the Wesleyan Belief in Entire Sanctification

15 Monday Nov 2010

Posted by Kevin M. Watson in Book Review, Christian Living, Methodist History, Wesley

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Christian Perfection, entire sanctification, Ted Campbell, Wesley, Wesleyan Beliefs

In a previous post, I recommended Ted A. Campbell’s Wesleyan Beliefs: Formal and Popular Expressions of the Core Beliefs of Wesleyan Communities. One of the highlights of the book is Campbell’s discussion of the continuing relevance of the Wesleyan doctrine of entire sanctification or Christian perfection. Campbell makes the most persuasive and helpful case for the ongoing value and relevance of the Wesleyan doctrine of entire sanctification that I have read in some time. Here is the key passage:

The doctrine of entire sanctification is a great gift at the heart of historic Wesleyan communities, a gift that, I am inclined to say, Wesleyan Christians could neglect only at the peril of losing what has been the heart of their distinctive beliefs. It is grounded in the consistent biblical mandate that the end (telos) or goal of human existence is complete love for God, and love for our neighbors as the natural concomitant and sign of love for God… I find John Wesley’s twofold rationale for the doctrine of entire sanctification unassailable:
1. God intends that we should love God completely.
2. God can accomplish what God intends.
Once these two points are understood, the doctrine of entire sanctification can be understood as the heart of biblical religion… It creates a space where ancient saintliness can meet modern life and thus it is a gift of grace for the contemporary world. (233)

Amen!

Almost Christian

12 Friday Nov 2010

Posted by Kevin M. Watson in Book Review, Christian Living, Ministry

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Almost Christian, Christian formation, Kenda Dean, Youth ministry

I recently finished reading Kenda Dean’s new book, Almost Christian: What the Faith of Our Teenagers is Telling the American Church. As I said in a previous post that recommended several books I have recently read, I would recommend this book to anyone who is interested in youth ministry, young people, or the state of the American Church.

To put it differently, if the beginning of Dean’s book doesn’t make you want to read more, then you may not want to read it:

Let me save you some trouble. Here is the gist of what you are about to read: American young people are, theoretically, fine with religious faith – but it does not concern them very much, and it is not durable enough to survive long after they graduate from high school.
One more thing: we’re responsible.
If the American church responds, quickly and decisively, to issues raised by studies like the National Study of Youth and Religion… then tending the faith of young people may just be the ticket to reclaiming our own. As the following pages attest, the religiosity of American teenagers must be read primarily as a reflection of their parents’ religious devotion (or lack thereof) and, by extension, that of their congregations. (3-4)

As Dean says a few paragraphs later, “lackadaisical faith is not young people’s issue, but ours.” (4)

In other words, this book is as much about the current state of the American church as it is about the state of youth ministry or the faith of youth themselves. Dean sees the faith of teenagers as a mirror that shows the American church the faith that it is teaching to them. Part of Dean’s argument is that the church is doing a decent job of forming young people in the faith that they are practicing. The problem is that this faith is “an imposter faith that poses as Christianity, but that in fact lacks the holy desire and missional clarity necessary for Christian discipleship” (6)

Here is the question that should cause American Christians to do some serious soul-searching: “What if the church models a way of life that asks, not passionate surrender but ho-hum assent? What if we are preaching moral affirmation, a feel-better faith, and a hands-off God instead of the decisively involved, impossibly loving, radically sending God of Abraham and Mary, who desired us enough to enter creation in Jesus Christ and whose Spirit is active in the church and in the world today?” (12)

Dean’s work moves beyond Christian Smith and Melinda Denton in Soul Searching: The Religious and Spiritual Lives of American Teenages and the National Study of Youth and Religion (NYSR), which was the research that informed the book. Here is the central question that Dean explores in Almost Christian: “How can the twenty-first-century church better prepare young people steeped in Moralistic Therapeutic Deism for the trust-walk of Christian faith?” (22)

The argument of the book, then, contains a detailed description of the problem of the “parasite” of Moralistic Therapeutic Deism, several positive examples of what it looks like to “claim a peculiar God-story,” and several descriptive chapters that outline suggestions for “cultivating consequential faith.”

Almost Christian has gained attention in many venues. An article about the book on CNN.com even stirred up some controversy. As of this writing, there are more than 5,000 comments to the article. This is an important book that raises some serious questions, not just about ministry to youth and young adults, but about the contemporary state of Christianity in America.

After reading the book, the question I am left with is: What tools or insights does an intentionally Wesleyan approach to Christian formation offer? Admittedly, this is a question beyond the scope of Dean’s book, but I believe the Wesleyan tradition has a rich contribution to make to attempts to “cultivate consequential faith” in Christians both young and old(er)!

Generation Rising: A Future with Hope for The UMC

08 Monday Nov 2010

Posted by Kevin M. Watson in Accountability, Book Review, Christian Living, Methodist History, Ministry, Wesley

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Christian accountability, Generation Rising, new book, small groups

Andrew Thompson has written a post about a book that Abingdon will be publishing in the Spring, Generation Rising: A Future with Hope for the United Methodist Church. Thompson is the editor of the book, which features chapters from twelve different younger leaders in the UMC about the future of the denomination. (Click on the link to Andrew’s post to see a list of the authors of the various chapters, the titles of each chapter, and the cover of the book.)

I was thrilled to be asked by Andrew to write a chapter on the role of small groups for the future of the UMC. My chapter gives a brief history of the role of “watching over one another in love” through a form of small group accountability in early Methodism. I then explore the relevance of the past for the present by addressing some of the challenges to embracing this Wesleyan communal practice in the 21st century. Ultimately, I argue that a return to such a practice will be essential for the renewal of United Methodism. I see the chapter I wrote for Generation Rising as a key part of what I have been doing here in my series on the relevance of the class meeting for the 21st century. If you have found that conversation to be beneficial, I hope you will read my chapter.

I am excited to be a part of this project, because I am thrilled to be part of a collaborative effort to give voice to what younger leaders in the UMC think is needed in order for United Methodism to have a future with hope. One of my frustrations about efforts to restore vitality to our denomination is that they typically fail to represent the vision or insights of the people who are the future of the church. This project is one attempt by younger folks in United Methodism to share what our sense is of where we are and what the most promising and hopeful way forward is. It is written by people who love the church and are committed to it.

I appreciate Andrew’s vision, initiative and leadership in conceiving this project, and his work to bring it to fruition. I also appreciate Abingdon Press’s recognition of the importance of giving voice to the experience and insights of younger generations within the church. Ultimately, I hope Generation Rising is only the beginning of a broader conversation about the way forward for the church.

Recommended Reading

27 Wednesday Oct 2010

Posted by Kevin M. Watson in Book Review, Christian Living, links, Methodist History, Wesley

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I want to recommend three books that I have recently read (in one instance, re-read) and three books that I am really looking forward reading.


Almost Christian: What the Faith of Our Teenagers is Telling the American Church
by Kenda Dean.

If you are involved in ministry with youth and young adults, you should read this book. If you have children and care about them becoming mature Christians, you should read this book. Oh, and if you care about people in this demographic… you should read this book.

I just finished reading Almost Christian and (as you may be able to tell) I thought it was excellent. Almost Christian chews on the research and data that was released with Christian Smith and Melinda Lundquist Denton’s Soul Searching: The Religious and Spiritual Lives of American Teenagers, which has already made a big splash in conversations about the formation of youth and young adults. I plan on blogging about Dean’s book in the near future, so I won’t say more at this point.


Charles Wesley and the Struggle for Methodist Identity by Gareth Lloyd.

I re-read this book during my time working in the Methodist Archives in Manchester. Gareth Lloyd is also the archivist for the Methodist material in Manchester. Lloyd’s book does two things that are both major contributions to Wesleyan Studies and the history of Methodism. First, he argues that John Wesley’s perspective has dominated the history of Methodism in ways that have distorted the picture. Thus, Charles Wesley and the Struggle for Methodist Identity seeks to begin to restore some balance and bring the picture back into focus. The second contribution of Lloyd’s work is that the book acts as a kind of guide to the primary source material that has all too often been overlooked by Methodist historians. One of Lloyd’s key arguments is that scholarship relating to Charles Wesley is inadequate because it has tended to rely on nineteenth century secondary source material, rather than going back to the original materials. Because of his position at the Rylands, Lloyd is the ideal person to make this case and to provide suggestions as to where key materials are that have yet to be mined.

Warning: The main negative of this book is its price. It is currently only available in hardcover and is $99. (Oh, you can purchase a Kindle version, which is $20 cheaper.)


Wesleyan Beliefs: Formal and Popular Expressions of the Core Beliefs of Wesleyan Communities by Ted A. Campbell.

Finally, Ted A. Campbell’s latest contribution to Wesleyan Studies has just come off the presses. If nothing else, you should read this book because it is endorsed by both Richard P. Heitzenrater and Randy L. Maddox. Maddox’s endorsement suggests that “Campbell’s careful study should put to rest finally the frequent caricature of Methodism as unconcerned about doctrinal beliefs… This is a must-read for scholars of the Wesleyan/Methodist tradition and beyond!”

My brief summary of Campbell’s argument would be that studies of Methodist or Wesleyan doctrine or beliefs have tended to fall into one of two camps. They are either focused on a rigid study of official doctrinal statements or academic contributions from members of these traditions, or they are focused on the opposite extreme of the popular practices and expressions of faith of Wesleyan or Methodist faith communities at particular points in time. In Wesley Beliefs, Campbell aims to bring these two legitimate foci into conversation with one another. In so doing, he finds that the study of official statements of doctrine along with more popular expressions of lay spirituality (such as hymnals, catechisms, and the architectural design of churches) reveal significant harmony.

(Full disclosure: Ted Campbell is my Ph.D. advisor here at S.M.U., so I am perhaps predisposed to think highly of his work.)

Here are three books that I am chomping at the bit to get my hands on, in fact I hope to be able pick up a few this weekend at the American Academy of Religion. Since I have not read them, I will not comment on them any further at this point, except to say that I think they are worth checking out.

The Methodist Experience in America, Vol 1: A History
by Russell E. Richey, Kenneth E. Rowe, and Jean Miller Schmidt

From Aldersgate to Azusa Street: Wesleyan, Holiness, and Pentecostal Visions of the New Creation edited by Henry H. Knight III.

T&T Clark Companion to Methodism edited by Charles Yrigoyen, Jr.

Getting Back into the Swing of Things… Slowly.

26 Tuesday Oct 2010

Posted by Kevin M. Watson in Life

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Congratulations to Mike Weaver, who correctly answered the question in my jet-lagged post about my trip to the John Rylands University Library in Manchester, England. The Rylands contains an amazing amount of material on early Methodism, much of which is largely unexplored. I was at the Rylands for almost a month, reading furiously from open till close every day, and I still did not read everything that I could have. (Thanks to the expert guidance and direction of Dr. Gareth Lloyd, I was able to look at all of the material that is most relevant to my dissertation.)

My research in Manchester focused primarily on unpublished manuscript letters and diaries of early Methodists. I found more material than I expected and I am very excited to dig into the more than 2,500 photos I took and the more than 100 pages of notes I took on my computer. I am really looking forward to mining this material and getting into the next chapter of my dissertation.

Returning to the United States has been a bit more jarring than I expected, mostly because my children do not seem to adjust time changes as easily as my wife and I do. (There is something very surreal and painful about having your two and a half year old wake you up at 4:30 am, because she is convinced it is well after the time we normally get up.) Happily, both kids are now sleeping through the night when it is actually night-time again.

Thankfully I am starting to catch my breath, because this weekend I am heading to the annual meeting of the American Academy of Religion. I am presenting a paper in the Wesleyan Studies section, which this year is focused on Methodism and the Civil Rights Movement. My paper, “In the Shadows of Segregation: Methodist Seminaries and the Civil Rights Movement”, explores the connection of two Methodist seminaries to the Civil Rights Movement (Perkins School of Theology at S.M.U. and Boston University School of Theology). I thoroughly enjoyed the research I did for this paper. In particular, I was able to interview several people who were students or faculty at these two institutions about their involvement. Among the people I interviewed, one that was particularly significant to me was speaking with James V. Lyles, who was one of five African-American students who integrated Perkins School of Theology in 1952.

So, there you have a brief snapshot of where I have been and where I am going. I do have several blog posts percolating in my mind. I am looking forward to writing them and continuing to grow and be challenged by your comments. Thank you for staying tuned!

Where I’ve Been the Last Four Weeks…

15 Friday Oct 2010

Posted by Kevin M. Watson in Uncategorized

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This is where I spent the majority of the past four weeks. Do you know where or what this is?

I am looking forward to getting back into the rhythm of blogging, more to come.

A Sermon for Seminary Students

15 Wednesday Sep 2010

Posted by Kevin M. Watson in Accountability, Christian Living, Methodist History, Ministry

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Becoming, Perkins, sermon

I was asked by the Order of St. Julian, a student group at Perkins, to preach at their chapel service today. Having the opportunity to preach in chapel was a tremendous blessing for me. In my sermon writing process, I typically write a full manuscript. I bring the entire manuscript with me in the pulpit; however, I do not preach it word for word. What follows is not exactly the sermon that I preached, but it is pretty close:

“Becoming”
Revelation 2:1-5
Perkins Chapel
September 15, 2010
Kevin M. Watson

My name is Kevin Watson and I am a PhD student here at SMU studying Church History and Wesley Studies. I am an ordained elder in the Oklahoma Annual Conference of the UMC. I am also married to Melissa, an amazing woman, and we have two children, Bethany Faith, and James Matthew. One reason I am here today is because I am involved in OSJ and I was asked to preach. But really, I am here for three reasons: I am here because of a Spring Break trip to Mexico, because of a question that a professor in seminary asked me, and because I want to ask you the same question.

Let us pray:

I. The first reason I am here is because I went to Mexico for Spring Break when I was a sophomore in college at the University of Oklahoma. That year I had friends who went skiing in Colorado and other friends who went to the beach in Florida. But not me. I went on a high school youth group mission trip to Mexico. Really, on the drive through Oklahoma and then the seemingly endless drive through Texas, I had a pretty bad attitude. I kept thinking about how my friends were skiing or relaxing at the beach, and I was riding in a van with high school students. And to be honest, I was also intimidated because there were more than 100 high school students on the trip, and I hardly knew any of them. In my mind, it was hard to think of anything much worse than being a college sponsor on a high school trip, who felt left out and uncool. My attitude didn’t improve when I realized that we were going to get up at 6 am every morning. At some point, as we got closer to Weslaco, TX, I asked myself, What am I doing on a high school mission trip? Why am I even here?

But I experienced something on that trip that changed my life and that set me on the path that has led me to where I am right now. The group that I was in built a small school room. Actually, the responsible people in the group did the building and I played with the kids at the school, all day every day. And I had a blast. But more important, I felt God’s love for these children so strongly, more strongly than I had ever experienced God’s love before. And I felt God’s love for the high school students I was with. This experience helped me to realize that the love that I so clearly saw that God had for all of these people, God also had toward me. I had already been a Christian before I left for Mexico, but on that trip God’s love became more real to me than it had ever been before. It was as if the love that I read about in Scripture came off the pages of Scripture and came to life in a new and deeper way. And I realized that I wanted nothing more for my life than to respond to this love, to love God back and to be able to learn how to love other people as God loves me.

I am here today in many ways because of that trip. Of course there is much more to the story than that. But today I don’t want to talk about me, I want to ask you to think about your own life, and more particularly about your present: Why are you here?

When did God’s love first come alive in your own life? Do you remember when you were first surprised by the love of God? When you were first overwhelmed by the enormity of God’s love? Where were you? Was it on a trip? Or in your home? Or was it at your church?

Do you remember the experience that you had of the living presence of God that brought you here?

Another way to ask the question would be to ask: What was your first love? What was it that you were initially so passionate about that you began to take the steps that have brought you here today?

In the book of Revelation, John received a vision about the future. In today’s Scripture reading, John relates a message that was given to him specifically for the Church in Ephesus. Ephesus is recognized for its hard work, its perseverance, its inability to tolerate wicked people, and its ability to discern true apostles from false ones. These are not insignificant complements, these are not wicked people. And yet, the part of the message for the Church in Ephesus that really pierces my heart and has stayed in my mind is what seems to me to be a warning that is just a relevant today as it was when John first heard it. It is a message we need to hear today. Listen to the warning: “Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love. Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.”

John’s vision is a plea for the Church in Ephesus to remember its first love. It is a warning that if they forget their first love, that the perseverance, the endurance, the discernment, the hard work will all be for nothing.
This morning, do you remember your first love?

II. More importantly, have you forsaken your first love?

This is a question that is relevant for all of us who are here today. It is relevant for seminary professors, for administrators, for all who profess to be followers of Jesus Christ. Every one who seeks to faithfully follow Christ faces the challenge of trying to keep everything else in life in its proper proportion to one’s allegiance to the lordship of Christ.

And yet, this morning, I want to speak in particular to those of you who are currently in seminary.

I am not all that far removed from being in your shoes. I remember well the excitement, the challenges, the stress, the fatigue, the reading, the papers, the exams, the fellowship, the churches I attended and preached at. And my favorite memory – graduation! It can happen to you too!

My message for those of you who are in seminary is actually pretty simple, I want to implore you to remember your first love. Who are you becoming during your time here? Although this is a question that we should ask ourselves throughout our lives, seminary seems to be a time when it is particularly easy to set it aside. And yet, what more important time in your life could there be to pay close attention to who you are becoming, than right now, when you are preparing, training for pastoral ministry? How can we hope to be effective leaders in God’s Church if we are not becoming more and more like Christ?

During your time here at Perkins, you will be graded and evaluated on many things. There are many factors that will determine whether you graduate – or should I say when you graduate. But you will not be evaluated on whether you are becoming a more mature follower of Jesus.

It is not that Perkins does not care about this. In fact, it is in Perkins’ best interest to have its graduates flood the church with passionate leaders who are deeply committed Christians, whose faith is evident and contagious. Still, your ability to pass or fail a class will not ever be based on the status of your faith while you are in that class.

And yet, it is easy to begin to pay the most attention to what you are being evaluated on. It is easy to worry more about how you are doing in a class than how you are doing spiritually. It is easy to become more concerned about whether you are going to graduate with honors than to be concerned about what kind of person you are going to be when you graduate.

And so I want to encourage you, to beg you to remember your first love! Because, if you forget, if you lose sight of the vision that God gave you, you may begin to learn about the right ways to talk about God, without continuing to talk to God. You may learn about the relationship between the persons of the Trinity, without cultivating a living, breathing relationship with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You may learn about the best ways to read and study the Bible for preaching and teaching, without continuing to allow your soul to be fed and nourished by the Word of God. You may learn about systematic theology, without systematically applying your faith to your own life.

Remembering to stay rooted in our faith and to practice it actively seems basic. But, it is so easy to forget. My observation of the typical seminary experience is that it is busy. There is so much to do and it is often hard to know where it is all going to fit in. And this is before you factor in your family, your work at a church, or your work at another job, and scratching and clawing to try to make progress in the marathon sport of United Methodist known as the candidacy and ordination process.

The Church in Ephesus was not evil, it did so much that was right. But, nevertheless, it forgot its first love. It is so easy to do. Given all of the things that you have to juggle in seminary, it is easy to see how someone could lose perspective.

I almost forgot my first love when I was in seminary. In my second semester, I was disappointed in the results of my mid-term exam in one of my classes. After I got the results, I went to the professors office to ask a few questions about the exam. Really, I think I was whining politely, or complaining respectfully. My professor patiently answered everyone of my questions. And then he asked me a question, “Kevin, how are you doing spiritually?”

This morning, the second reason I am here is because my professor asked me that question. For me, being asked this question was like being stirred from sleep walking. I realized that I had lost focus. I was becoming obsessed with performing, with grades, with an inadequate measure of success. This gentle question helped me remember the deep reason I was in seminary, to prepare to be the pastor of a congregation, in hopes of helping people to come to know the depths of the love of Jesus Christ. And in hopes of helping those who were already followers of Christ to continue cooperating with the grace that God was giving to them so that they could become more holy, more like Christ. From that point, I realized that the consistency with which I was practicing the means of grace was just as important of a measure of my time in seminary as the number of pages I read, or the grades I got in my classes.

As I began to pay more attention to this, I realized that there wasn’t going to be time left over for things like searching the Scriptures, praying, participating in corporate worship, receiving the sacrament of Communion, or Christian fellowship, support, and accountability. I realized that if I wanted to grow in my faith I would have to make it a priority and plan for these important spiritual practices. In what felt like a radical step, I decided to plan first for things like reading Scripture, praying, attending worship, and participating in a weekly accountability group and to be willing to let other things go if necessary.

As it turned out, I rarely had to let other things go. (So this isn’t an excuse to be lazy and not take your academic work seriously.) But, for me it felt like a radical shift in perspective to determine that practicing my faith would always be the first priority. It was hard, and even now there are times when I struggle to cling to the reason I am here, to keep track of who I am becoming. Even this past few weeks, with a dizzying number of things occupying my attention, it was yesterday that it hit me that I need to hear my own sermon. I needed to remember that this is my priority, that this is why I am here. It is so easy to loose perspective. Sometimes we need someone to ask the right question to help us remember who we are becoming and why we are here. So, why are you here? Who are you becoming? How are you doing spiritually?

III. These questions are powerful because they remind us of what is most important. They keep us focused on our deepest goals. And when Christians gather together to ask each other these types of questions, it is far more likely that we will cooperate with the grace that God has given us. That we will grow in our faith. That we will become deeply committed Christians.

When my professor in seminary asked me how I was doing spiritually, it reminded me to tend to who I was becoming. And not long after being asked that question, I joined a small group of people who were similarly concerned for staying focused on our deepest goal, that of becoming more like Christ, learning how to love God more and love others more. This experience was transformative.

And as I began studying the history of Methodism, my own denomination, I discovered that the discipline of “watching over one another in love” as John Wesley called it, through some form of small group accountability was key to the vitality of early Methodism. The class meeting was a small group of 7 to 12 people, where each person was asked the simple question, “How is it with your soul?” For decades, Methodists believed that being a member of a class meeting was basic to what it meant to be a Methodist. In fact until the mid 1800s, according the Book of Discipline, in order to be a member of Methodism, you had to attend a weekly class meeting. In England, Wesley was often known to remove people from the membership rolls for failing to attend their class meeting.

A study of denominations in the United States found that in 1776 American Methodism was a tiny, little-known, and insignificant sect. By 1850 American Methodism had become the largest denomination in the country, by far! One way of glimpsing the dramatic growth of Methodism during this period is that in terms of the overall percentage of religious adherents in this period, the largest percentage increase among groups other than Methodists during this period was Catholics, who increased by 77% from 1776 to 1850. During this same shift Methodism increased by 1,368%! The growth of American Methodism during this period was explosive! One of the reasons for this growth was that every single Methodist met in a weekly small group to check in with one another, to give an account of how they were doing spiritually. In fact, one historian of American Methodism has called the class meeting “the building blocks of Methodism.”

Things have certainly changed in Methodism from 1850 to 2010. But have people really changed so much, that we no longer need to join together with other Christians to watch over one another in love, to support and encourage one another in an intentional, disciplined way as we seek to grow in our faith?

And so, this morning the third reason I am here is because ever since my professor asked me about the state of my soul, I have been burdened to remind others who are preparing to become pastors to tend to their own souls during their time in seminary.

I believe that the most important thing that you can do to ensure that you remember why you are here is to gather together with other people who are determined to do the same thing. The history of the Church that this seminary is rooted in bears witness to this, my own life bears witness to it, as do the lives of the others of us who have been involved in OSJ. We have found that when we come together to ask each other, “How is it with your soul?” We are reminded why we are here. We are reminded to pay attention to who we are becoming.

The reality is that during your time here you are becoming someone. I believe that the number one measure of your success as a Perkins student is whether during your time here you are becoming someone who loves God more and loves other people more.

How are you planning to become the person that you want to be when you graduate? How are you cooperating with God’s grace to become the kind of person you would want to be your pastor? One of the most amazing things to me about God is that God has graciously given us a role to play, we are invited into a relationship, not to be a puppet in a puppet show. So, how are you going to respond to what God has already done in your life?

Have you forsaken your first love?

Do you remember why you are here, really?

How are you going to make growing in your faith during your time here your number one priority? I hope and pray that you give serious attention to this question. Amen.

Francis Asbury on Class Meetings

13 Monday Sep 2010

Posted by Kevin M. Watson in Christian Living, Methodist History

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In recent research, I came across the following quote in Francis Asbury’s Journal:

In meeting the society at night, I spoke plainly of some who neglected their bands and classes; and informed them that we took people into our societies that we might help them become entire Christians, and if they willfully neglected those meetings, they thereby withdrew themselves from our care and assistance. (June 12, 1774, vol. I Journal, p. 118)

This is an interesting quote because it is towards the beginning of Asbury’s ministry in America and is before he was the undisputed leader of American Methodism. It is also ten years before Asbury was ordained and Methodism in America became a Church in its own right.

Yet, from what I have read about Asbury, this was not an isolated sentiment that radically changed after 1784. Rather, it is pretty typical of his understanding both of the importance of the classes and bands for helping people “become entire Christians” as well as his understanding that this was the basic purpose of Methodism (helping people become entire Christians).

Wesley Didn’t Say It: Set Myself on Fire… Watch Me Burn

06 Monday Sep 2010

Posted by Kevin M. Watson in Methodist History, Wesley

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John Wesley, credit: Daniel X. O’Neil

Among the words put in John Wesley’s mouth that he did not actually say, perhaps the most common are the following:

I set myself on fire and people come to watch me burn.

or

Catch on fire with enthusiasm and people will come for miles to watch you burn.

Wesley did not say either of these.

But this may be the most persistent quote that is incorrectly attributed to John Wesley.  I updated this post on April 25, 2020, and did a google search for “John Wesley quotes.” The first entry is an answer box that has a list of unattributed John Wesley quotes. Look at the second and fourth entires!

So, if you ask Google for John Wesley quotes, two of the first four it currently gives you are two quotes that he did not actually say.

It is easy to come up with numerous examples of this quote being attributed to Wesley. But what you will not find is a citation of the source where Wesley is supposed to have actually said it.

Inaccurate information spreads rapidly on the internet.

I have been surprised by the anger from some commenters on my series of “Wesley Didn’t Say It” posts. Several people have sarcastically said something like, “Oh, so you were there to hear every word that John Wesley ever said?”

Of course I wasn’t. But no historian thinks we can know what dead people said in conversations that were never recorded or written down. It is impossible to prove that someone never said something.

The standard for attributing words to someone is documentation showing they said it. For John Wesley, this would be published writings like sermons, treatises, and his published Journal or manuscript sources like letters.

I was a PhD student when I first wrote this post, so I checked in with an expert before I hit publish. I emailed noted historian of Wesley and early Methodism, Dr. Richard Heitzenrater. His response was along these lines: You can look for that quote in Wesley as long as you want, you won’t find it.

It troubles me that this quote is so frequently attributed to Wesley. It does not sound like something that Wesley would have said. In the email string that first made me aware of how often this is attributed to Wesley, someone commented that the quote was rather “braggadocious” and as a result did not sound like Wesley. I agree. It would not be characteristic of Wesley to say, “I do something awesome, and as a result people come to look at me.”

Wesley’s desire was not to attract people to himself, but to point them to the risen Lord who was their only hope of salvation.

Wesley didn’t say, “I set myself on fire and people come to watch me burn.” We should stop saying that he did.

You can add this quote to other quotes that are stubbornly connected to John Wesley despite the fact that there is no source that connects them to Wesley’s pen. I have written about several other quotes misattributed to John Wesley:

“Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as ever you can.”

“In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; and, in all things, charity.”

“Personal and social holiness“

“Holy conferencing“

“Be present at our table, Lord…“

Do you want to know if Wesley did actually say something that is attributed to him? Check out Did Wesley Really Say That? (Here’s How to Find Out).

Kevin M. Watson teaches, writes, and preaches to empower community, discipleship, and stewardship of our heritage. Connect with Kevin. Get future posts emailed to you. This post was updated on April 25, 2020.

Wesley Didn’t Say It: Unity, Liberty, Charity

02 Thursday Sep 2010

Posted by Kevin M. Watson in Wesley

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John Wesley, credit: Daniel X. O’Neil

In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; and, in all things, charity.

Wesley did not say this.

I came across this frequently misattributed quote while reading Richard P. Heitzenrater’s chapter, “‘Unity, Liberty, Charity’ in the Wesleyan Heritage.” in the book Unity, Liberty, and Charity: Building Bridges under Icy Waters, edited by Donald E. Messer and William J. Abraham.

After a detailed search in Wesley’s writings for this quote, Heitzenrater found “the saying was not used by Wesley.” (29) Heitzenrater wrote the book on Wesley and the People Called Methodists, so this is good enough for me.

There is no record in Wesley’s published writings of him saying, “In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; and, in all things, charity.” We should stop saying that he did.

Check out the comments for helpful discussion of where the quote originated.

As with all of these quotes, my purpose here is not to contest the idea found in the quote. In other words, I am not arguing against the sentiment. I want to encourage historical accuracy and greater care in attributing sayings to historical figures.

This is the first post in a series of posts on quotes that are commonly attributed to Wesley that he did not actually say. Here are several other quotes misattributed to John Wesley:

“Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as ever you can.”

“I set myself on fire and people come to watch me burn.”

“Personal and social holiness“

“Holy conferencing“

“Be present at our table, Lord…“

Do you want to know if Wesley did actually say something that is attributed to him? Check out Did Wesley Really Say That? (Here’s How to Find Out).

Kevin M. Watson teaches, writes, and preaches to empower community, discipleship, and stewardship of our heritage. Connect with Kevin. Get future posts emailed to you. This post was updated on April 25, 2020. Affiliate links used in this post.

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