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They Like Jesus But Not the Church, Following Up

22 Tuesday Jan 2008

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Book Review, Dan Kimball, They Like Jesus But Not the Church

I do not have the time to write a thorough review of Dan Kimball’s They Like Jesus But Not the Church. But since I mentioned starting the book in a previous post, I wanted to briefly follow up.

The short version is that the book was every bit as good as I hoped it would be. The book is very readable and flows more like a conversation than a lecture or a technical discussion. The basic organization is that it gives some thoughts about why it should matter to Christians that non-Christians like Jesus, but not the church. The second part of the book discusses in more depth what it is about the church that they don’t like. Kimball does this in a helpful way that respects both those who don’t like the church and those who are in the church. The final part of the book discusses what we can/should do about it. You really sense Kimball’s heart here. I think if he could get you to do one thing as a result of reading his book, it would be that you would commit to getting to know people who are outside of the church. Listening to their stories, befriending them, and praying for them.

If you have discovered that you have become trapped in the Christian bubble, this book will help you plan your escape. I highly recommend it.

They Like Jesus But Not the Church

16 Wednesday Jan 2008

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Book Review, Dan Kimball, Emergent, They Like Jesus But Not the Church, unChristian

I picked up a copy today of Dan Kimball‘s book They Like Jesus But Not the Church. I have only read about half of the introduction, but it is off to an excellent start! He shares the story of speaking at an evangelism conference and the people there just not getting his approach of just trying to get to know people and actually befriending them. One of the pastors asked if he “sealed the deal” (meaning prayed the sinners’ prayer). When Kimball said that he had not and that he was trying to get to know people and befriend them the pastor responded, “Well, then you’re wasting your time, brother, and I will pray for you that you seal the deal with them.”

If that story starts to get you fired up a little bit about how much that pastor is missing the point, I bet this would be a book that would speak to you (though I can’t fully endorse it, as I have not actually read it yet). I found myself thinking, and I bet that guy didn’t even actually pray for you…

Having recently read and posted about Kinnaman and Lyon’s book UnChristian, I was struck by some obvious similarities between the insights that Kimball draws out about how the church is perceived. Here is a comparison of what Kinnaman and Lyon note that people dislike about Christians and what Kimball discusses in They Like Jesus But Not the Church:

UnChristian traits according to Kinnaman and Lyon’s research:

Outsiders see Christians as:

  • Hypocritical
  • Only concerned with conversion (getting you to pray the sinners’ prayer)
  • antihomosexual
  • sheltered
  • too political
  • judgmental

Here is what Kimball says Emerging generations think about the Church:

  • an organized religion with a political agenda
  • judgmental and negative
  • dominated by males and oppresses females
  • homophobic
  • arrogantly claims all other religions are wrong
  • full of fundamentalists who take the whole Bible literally

The similarities are remarkable and suggest that these two books really have profoundly grasped the way Christians are viewed by non-Christians. It is a wake up call.

In a previous post Dan Kimball actually noticed a comment I made about thinking it would be cool to have lunch with him and he replied. So, in case you find this post too, Dan – I have a question. Have you read UnChristian and if so how do you think it meshes with They Like Jesus But Not the Church? Oh, and will you be in the northern Oklahoma area anytime soon to grab some lunch? I know of a great Mexican place in Blackwell, OK!

Finally, here is a link on Dan Kimball’s blog where he discusses They Like Jesus But Not the Church.

After the Baby Boomers

14 Monday Jan 2008

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After the Baby Boomers, Book Review, Wuthnow

Today I finished reading Robert Wuthnow’s After the Baby Boomers: How Twenty- and Thirty- Somethings Are Shaping the Future of American Religion. After the Baby Boomers is an important study in the future of the American church. Wuthnow demonstrates that the church is only effectively reaching married young adults, which is significant because young adults are getting married later than they have in previous generations. Wuthnow argues that “unless religious leaders take younger adults more seriously, the future of American religion is in doubt” (17).

Wuthnow explores the role that twenty and thirty year olds will play in American religion from many different angles. Here are some things that particularly grabbed my attention:

  • “Religious ideas among young adults probably circulate more by word of mouth than through the books and magazines people read or even the sermons they hear. This means that young adults are probably influencing one another in forming opinions about religion much more than they are being shaped by the formal teachings of religious organizations” (120).
  • On facing pages there are charts that show the “Views of Premarital Sex by Religious Tradition” and “Sexual Activity among Unmarried Young Adults.” This probably shouldn’t be surprising, but it is interesting that about 42% of evangelicals said that it was always wrong to have premarital sex, but about 70% reported having sex in the past year (who were not married). And evangelicals reported having premarital sex at the smallest percentage. Mainline Protestants seem to at least be consistent: 17% think it is wrong and 78% have premarital sex. The largest disparity in the results was Black Protestants where about 37% said it was always wrong to have premarital sex and more than 90% reported having sex in the past year. My thought when I looked at these two charts was: 1) Are unmarried people in this age group really having sex at these high of rates? And 2) Because of the discrepancy in many of these groups between what they believe and what they are actually doing, I would think this suggests that there are a lot of young adults out there with feelings of guilt and shame about their sexual history. How can we bring the grace and love of God to bear in these situations in a transforming way?
  • Figure 8.10 shows the percent who say the following are extremely or very important, “Promoting democracy abroad,” “Sending troops into countries,” “Fighting global terrorism,” “Controlling biological weapons,” and “Keeping America’s military strong.” The Figure measures the responses of three groups; nonaffiliated, Other Christians, and Evangelicals. In every single category evangelicals responded with the highest percentage, with other Christians second, and nonaffiliated last. The name of this chart is “Hawks and Doves.” I have to admit I was saddened to see that being a Christian seems to make you more likely to be a hawk than a dove. Somewhere along the way Christians have placed security and national interests above their calling to be peacemakers.

These are just a few quick thoughts that I wanted to highlight. Wuthnow provides an incredible amount of material to ponder in this 297 page book. In the final chapter Wuthnow laments that “religious congregations have not done a better job of trying to figure out what young adults want and need” (216). Wuthnow’s conclusion is that “congregations can survive, but only if religious leaders roll up their sleeves and pay considerably more attention to young adults than they have been…. It would be surprising if, say in fifty years, congregations had simply disappeared. But survival and vitality are two different things” (230-231).

One final reflection that I had as I read this book: Wuthnow puts a lot of emphasis in his conclusion on the importance of religious leaders. What, if anything, does Wuthnow’s research suggest about the role that religious leaders who are in the demographic that Wuthnow is describing (i.e. 21-45 year olds) could/should play in helping to address the issues that young adults are facing? Is the church being a good steward of the young pastors that God has entrusted to it? What do you think?

unChristian

08 Tuesday Jan 2008

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Book Review, perception of Christians, unChristian

One of the books I got for Christmas was David Kinnaman and Gabe Lyons’ unChristian: What a New Generation Really Thinks about Christianity… and Why it Matters. Kinnaman and Lyons take a hard look at the way Christians are perceived by 16-29 year old Americans. The feedback they get is not flattering and it is tough to swallow. The main value in this book is simply the recognition that young adults do not find a whole lot to like about contemporary Christians. The point of the book is not whether these perceptions are fair or accurate, but that this is the way Christians are perceived. The research in this book was done by the folks at the Barna group and they found that 16-29 year olds think that Christians are:

  • Hypocritical
  • Too focused on getting converts
  • Antihomosexual
  • Sheltered
  • Too Political
  • Judgmental

I appreciate the way that the author’s take these perceptions seriously even though they stick to their evangelical worldview. They discuss the perception that young folks have of Christians acting unChristianly and they offer a way to engage with that perception. For example one chapter addresses the perception that “Christians show contempt for gays and lesbians.” They argue for the new perception “Christians show compassion and love to all people, regardless of their lifestyle.”

The major strength of this book is that it takes a serious look at how other people see Christians and it resists the temptation to a defensive reaction. This is a helpful model that it seems to me that all Christians can learn from.

Have you read this book? What are your reactions?

Understanding the Quadrilateral

02 Wednesday Jan 2008

Posted by Kevin M. Watson in Book Review, Ministry

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Book Review, Methodism, Quadrilateral, Wesleyan theology

I just finished a book that I wish I had read before writing my ordination papers: Wesley and the Quadrilateral: Renewing the Conversation. This book has essays by Wesley scholars W. Stephen Gunter, Scott J. Jones, Ted A. Campbell, Rebekah L. Miles, and Randy L. Maddox. Gunter is the editor with Jones writing about Scripture, Campbell tradition, Miles reason, and Maddox experience. If you have not read this book and you are a Methodist pastor you need to read this book. If you have heard the phrase “Wesleyan Quadrilateral” and wondered what the heck it meant, you need to read this book. If you already think you know what the Quadrilateral is all about, you still need to read this book.

Here are a few quick quotes from the conclusion:

There is an underlying premise in our chapter on Scripture, and it would read like this: If United Methodists generally speaking have interpreted The Book of Discipline to mean the Scripture are our foundational and primary authority in theology, faith, and practice, we have not done a very good job of making this clear to our constituencies (131).

The temptation to total skepticism that is implied when we recognize the “conditionedness” of our knowledge through experience is usually avoided for a very practical reason: it is not viable to be a total skeptic. What is common among us is to invoke the perspectival nature of mediated experience as a preemptive shield: “That is only your perspective. I am entitled to my own!” While Wesley did not hear this particular modern response in his day, he does potentially provide a way through the impasse — he continually exhorted the early Methodists about the importance of “Christian conference,” specifically for nurturing the lives of holiness and for deciding debated issues in theology. No one person’s perspective was to be privileged over another’s, and the collective perspective of all gave the advantage of a mutually arrived at conclusion. (137-138)

These are just some quotes that spoke to things I have been thinking about. But this book does an excellent job of explaining what Wesley would have meant by Scripture, tradition, reason, and experience; and how Methodists ought to use these tools today. Simply a wonderful book.

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