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They Like Jesus But Not the Church

16 Wednesday Jan 2008

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I picked up a copy today of Dan Kimball‘s book They Like Jesus But Not the Church. I have only read about half of the introduction, but it is off to an excellent start! He shares the story of speaking at an evangelism conference and the people there just not getting his approach of just trying to get to know people and actually befriending them. One of the pastors asked if he “sealed the deal” (meaning prayed the sinners’ prayer). When Kimball said that he had not and that he was trying to get to know people and befriend them the pastor responded, “Well, then you’re wasting your time, brother, and I will pray for you that you seal the deal with them.”

If that story starts to get you fired up a little bit about how much that pastor is missing the point, I bet this would be a book that would speak to you (though I can’t fully endorse it, as I have not actually read it yet). I found myself thinking, and I bet that guy didn’t even actually pray for you…

Having recently read and posted about Kinnaman and Lyon’s book UnChristian, I was struck by some obvious similarities between the insights that Kimball draws out about how the church is perceived. Here is a comparison of what Kinnaman and Lyon note that people dislike about Christians and what Kimball discusses in They Like Jesus But Not the Church:

UnChristian traits according to Kinnaman and Lyon’s research:

Outsiders see Christians as:

  • Hypocritical
  • Only concerned with conversion (getting you to pray the sinners’ prayer)
  • antihomosexual
  • sheltered
  • too political
  • judgmental

Here is what Kimball says Emerging generations think about the Church:

  • an organized religion with a political agenda
  • judgmental and negative
  • dominated by males and oppresses females
  • homophobic
  • arrogantly claims all other religions are wrong
  • full of fundamentalists who take the whole Bible literally

The similarities are remarkable and suggest that these two books really have profoundly grasped the way Christians are viewed by non-Christians. It is a wake up call.

In a previous post Dan Kimball actually noticed a comment I made about thinking it would be cool to have lunch with him and he replied. So, in case you find this post too, Dan – I have a question. Have you read UnChristian and if so how do you think it meshes with They Like Jesus But Not the Church? Oh, and will you be in the northern Oklahoma area anytime soon to grab some lunch? I know of a great Mexican place in Blackwell, OK!

Finally, here is a link on Dan Kimball’s blog where he discusses They Like Jesus But Not the Church.

After the Baby Boomers

14 Monday Jan 2008

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Today I finished reading Robert Wuthnow’s After the Baby Boomers: How Twenty- and Thirty- Somethings Are Shaping the Future of American Religion. After the Baby Boomers is an important study in the future of the American church. Wuthnow demonstrates that the church is only effectively reaching married young adults, which is significant because young adults are getting married later than they have in previous generations. Wuthnow argues that “unless religious leaders take younger adults more seriously, the future of American religion is in doubt” (17).

Wuthnow explores the role that twenty and thirty year olds will play in American religion from many different angles. Here are some things that particularly grabbed my attention:

  • “Religious ideas among young adults probably circulate more by word of mouth than through the books and magazines people read or even the sermons they hear. This means that young adults are probably influencing one another in forming opinions about religion much more than they are being shaped by the formal teachings of religious organizations” (120).
  • On facing pages there are charts that show the “Views of Premarital Sex by Religious Tradition” and “Sexual Activity among Unmarried Young Adults.” This probably shouldn’t be surprising, but it is interesting that about 42% of evangelicals said that it was always wrong to have premarital sex, but about 70% reported having sex in the past year (who were not married). And evangelicals reported having premarital sex at the smallest percentage. Mainline Protestants seem to at least be consistent: 17% think it is wrong and 78% have premarital sex. The largest disparity in the results was Black Protestants where about 37% said it was always wrong to have premarital sex and more than 90% reported having sex in the past year. My thought when I looked at these two charts was: 1) Are unmarried people in this age group really having sex at these high of rates? And 2) Because of the discrepancy in many of these groups between what they believe and what they are actually doing, I would think this suggests that there are a lot of young adults out there with feelings of guilt and shame about their sexual history. How can we bring the grace and love of God to bear in these situations in a transforming way?
  • Figure 8.10 shows the percent who say the following are extremely or very important, “Promoting democracy abroad,” “Sending troops into countries,” “Fighting global terrorism,” “Controlling biological weapons,” and “Keeping America’s military strong.” The Figure measures the responses of three groups; nonaffiliated, Other Christians, and Evangelicals. In every single category evangelicals responded with the highest percentage, with other Christians second, and nonaffiliated last. The name of this chart is “Hawks and Doves.” I have to admit I was saddened to see that being a Christian seems to make you more likely to be a hawk than a dove. Somewhere along the way Christians have placed security and national interests above their calling to be peacemakers.

These are just a few quick thoughts that I wanted to highlight. Wuthnow provides an incredible amount of material to ponder in this 297 page book. In the final chapter Wuthnow laments that “religious congregations have not done a better job of trying to figure out what young adults want and need” (216). Wuthnow’s conclusion is that “congregations can survive, but only if religious leaders roll up their sleeves and pay considerably more attention to young adults than they have been…. It would be surprising if, say in fifty years, congregations had simply disappeared. But survival and vitality are two different things” (230-231).

One final reflection that I had as I read this book: Wuthnow puts a lot of emphasis in his conclusion on the importance of religious leaders. What, if anything, does Wuthnow’s research suggest about the role that religious leaders who are in the demographic that Wuthnow is describing (i.e. 21-45 year olds) could/should play in helping to address the issues that young adults are facing? Is the church being a good steward of the young pastors that God has entrusted to it? What do you think?

I Am Sorry

10 Thursday Jan 2008

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The book unChristian: What a New Generation Really Thinks about Christians… and Why it Matters has really stuck with me these past few days as is evident by this post and this post. I have found myself thinking about all of the people who are represented in the survey data that is presented in unChristian and I have found myself wishing that there were some way to let them all know that Christians are supposed to do better. I have found myself wanting to say that there are Christians who do truly love you where you are at. And I think this is true. I at least know that my faith tells me that Jesus loves you.

But in my anger and frustration at other Christians who have not loved people different than them well, I started to become uncomfortable and realized that I also have failed to love my neighbor as myself. Sometimes I ignore or don’t see others who are hurting. Sometimes it is hard for me to know how to love someone who is living a very different life than I think God would want them to live. But I agree with my friend Joseph’s comment in one of my previous posts that God has never asked me to show more love or grace to anyone else than God has already shown to me.

So, I want to say that I am sorry. I am sorry for my failure to love my neighbor as myself. If you have ever felt unloved by my actions or inactions I am sorry. I am without excuse, because my faith tells me to love my neighbor as much as I love myself.

I remember reading in one of Donald Miller’s books (I can’t remember which one it was… Blue Like Jazz?) that several Christians set up a booth on a college campus to confess their sins to others on campus. It was a powerful story and to me represents the kind of humility that Christians need to risk showing to others. This gave me an idea – If you have felt unloved or hurt by something a Christian has done to you, I would like to apologize to you. I want to tell you that I am sorry for the pain that you have felt. If you want to leave a comment with a specific way that you have been hurt or wronged, I would like to specifically apologize to you.

unChristian

08 Tuesday Jan 2008

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One of the books I got for Christmas was David Kinnaman and Gabe Lyons’ unChristian: What a New Generation Really Thinks about Christianity… and Why it Matters. Kinnaman and Lyons take a hard look at the way Christians are perceived by 16-29 year old Americans. The feedback they get is not flattering and it is tough to swallow. The main value in this book is simply the recognition that young adults do not find a whole lot to like about contemporary Christians. The point of the book is not whether these perceptions are fair or accurate, but that this is the way Christians are perceived. The research in this book was done by the folks at the Barna group and they found that 16-29 year olds think that Christians are:

  • Hypocritical
  • Too focused on getting converts
  • Antihomosexual
  • Sheltered
  • Too Political
  • Judgmental

I appreciate the way that the author’s take these perceptions seriously even though they stick to their evangelical worldview. They discuss the perception that young folks have of Christians acting unChristianly and they offer a way to engage with that perception. For example one chapter addresses the perception that “Christians show contempt for gays and lesbians.” They argue for the new perception “Christians show compassion and love to all people, regardless of their lifestyle.”

The major strength of this book is that it takes a serious look at how other people see Christians and it resists the temptation to a defensive reaction. This is a helpful model that it seems to me that all Christians can learn from.

Have you read this book? What are your reactions?

Understanding the Quadrilateral

02 Wednesday Jan 2008

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I just finished a book that I wish I had read before writing my ordination papers: Wesley and the Quadrilateral: Renewing the Conversation. This book has essays by Wesley scholars W. Stephen Gunter, Scott J. Jones, Ted A. Campbell, Rebekah L. Miles, and Randy L. Maddox. Gunter is the editor with Jones writing about Scripture, Campbell tradition, Miles reason, and Maddox experience. If you have not read this book and you are a Methodist pastor you need to read this book. If you have heard the phrase “Wesleyan Quadrilateral” and wondered what the heck it meant, you need to read this book. If you already think you know what the Quadrilateral is all about, you still need to read this book.

Here are a few quick quotes from the conclusion:

There is an underlying premise in our chapter on Scripture, and it would read like this: If United Methodists generally speaking have interpreted The Book of Discipline to mean the Scripture are our foundational and primary authority in theology, faith, and practice, we have not done a very good job of making this clear to our constituencies (131).

The temptation to total skepticism that is implied when we recognize the “conditionedness” of our knowledge through experience is usually avoided for a very practical reason: it is not viable to be a total skeptic. What is common among us is to invoke the perspectival nature of mediated experience as a preemptive shield: “That is only your perspective. I am entitled to my own!” While Wesley did not hear this particular modern response in his day, he does potentially provide a way through the impasse — he continually exhorted the early Methodists about the importance of “Christian conference,” specifically for nurturing the lives of holiness and for deciding debated issues in theology. No one person’s perspective was to be privileged over another’s, and the collective perspective of all gave the advantage of a mutually arrived at conclusion. (137-138)

These are just some quotes that spoke to things I have been thinking about. But this book does an excellent job of explaining what Wesley would have meant by Scripture, tradition, reason, and experience; and how Methodists ought to use these tools today. Simply a wonderful book.

Owning the Authority of Scripture

12 Wednesday Dec 2007

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I started reading Ted Campbell and Michael Burns’ Wesleyan Essentials in a Multicultural Society yesterday. In the second chapter, “Biblical Authority in a Relativist World” I came across this excellent challenge:

We need to ask ourselves, though, if we in fact own the authority of Scripture over our own lives and over the lives of our congregations. A practical test is to ask “Do you expect to be changed when you read the Bible?” If one does not really expect to be changed by reading the Bible, then for all our talk about biblical authority, we do not really own it. To own the authority of the Bible is to face the reality, every time we open it, that God will have a fresh, new message for us, one that may challenge us very deeply (21).

I think Campbell and Burns effectively point out how often we as Christians talk about the authority of Scripture without actually behaving as if Scripture really did have authority over our lives. At a very basic level, if Scripture is to have authority over our lives, we need to at least spend time reading it so that we know what it actually says.

I don’t know about you, but this passage convicts me not just to say that the Bible is authoritative, but actually to own its authority over my life.

Review: The Theology of John Wesley, Kenneth J. Collins

19 Monday Nov 2007

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In The Theology of John Wesley: Holy Love and the Shape of Grace, Kenneth J. Collins, makes another important contribution to the area of Wesley Studies. Collins seeks to organize his discussion of Wesley’s theology around the “axial theme” of “holiness and grace” (6). The organization of the book is logical and easy to follow, essentially guiding the reader through the Way of Salvation, or more accurately (according to Collins’ view) the order of salvation.

A major strength of The Theology of John Wesley is Collins’ discussion of prevenient grace. Collins ends his summary of total depravity by arguing that “for those such as Wesley who followed the Augustinian tradition, the effects of the fall are so devastating that response-ability along the way of salvation is not a possibility at all unless God first of all sovereignly restores humanity through prevenient grace to some measure of the relation previously enjoyed” (73). It is almost as if Collins cannot help but talk about prevenient grace as soon as he has convinced the reader of the truth of human depravity. This is a thoroughly Wesleyan approach, as Wesley was only interested in discussing original sin in order to convince his audience of their need for the salvation which comes through Christ.

Collins beautifully distinguishes between Wesley and Calvin’s understanding of depravity and our dependence on grace, as well as their understandings of irresistible grace. Here Collins is at his best, “One of the chief differences… between Calvinism and Wesleyanism is at what point in the ordo salutis irresistible grace occurs. For Calvin, it is sanctifying grace that is irresistible; for Wesley, it is prevenient grace that ‘waiteth not for the call of man’” (82).

Collins’ discussion of the new birth has a particular sense of urgency. He notes that “What some Anglican clergy simply could not comprehend was how members of the church could employ the means of grace for years and yet lack regenerating, saving grace. But this presumption is precisely what Methodism called into question in the name of reform and in its concern for spreading scriptural holiness across the land” (212). In other words, the means of grace are not a pathway around the new birth. But rather, the new birth is the experience that results in the means of grace actually enabling the Christian’s growth in holiness.

In the section, “Did Wesley Maintain His Standard of the New Birth?” Collins rehashes arguments he has had with other contemporary Wesley scholars. Collins writes:

Moreover, if the Holy One does not transform the very nature of the children of God when their sins are forgiven… then they would shortly be committing the very same sins for which they had just asked forgiveness in the first place. Such a life would be marked not by liberty but by repeated failure and breaches of faith that would rob the conscience of what peace and comfort pertain to those who can cry, ‘Abba, Father….’ ‘But even babes in Christ,’ Wesley notes in 1766, ‘are so far perfect as not to commit sin’ (225-226).

Collins makes a thorough case for his reading of Wesley’s understanding of the new birth. There is, however, little distinction in Collins’ reading of Wesley between the new birth and entire sanctification, which is characteristic of Wesley’s thinking in the period immediately following Aldersgate. Collins understands the phrase “sin may remain, but no longer reign” to mean that after the new birth the temptation to sin remains, but that we do not act upon that temptation. If the struggle with actual sin is fully addressed in the new birth, then it would seem that entire sanctification, and indeed sanctification itself, would only involve the transformation of our wills. And yet, Wesley seems to change his view on this later in his ministry, recognizing that the victory over the power of sin may not be as thorough as he expressed it immediately after Aldersgate. One wonders, why did Wesley’s understanding change? In my own experience, and in the experience of many others, the struggle with sin’s reign has been much messier than this. Collins leaves me wanting to hear more about what happens when someone has experienced justification and the new birth and willfully sins? Is that possible in this account? If so, how does Collins (and more importantly, if Collins is right, Wesley) reckon with the reality that forgiven Christians sadly sometimes do commit sin? Ultimately, in Collins’ account, the Christian journey is abridged and the role of sanctification is minimized.

Collins is also occasionally too general in his comments and does not do justice to the arguments of those whom he disagrees with. Collins writes, for example, that “treatments of Wesley that have viewed him principally through the lens of some preferred theological tradition abound: Calvinism for Cell, Lutheran Pietism for Hildebrandt, Puritanism for Rupp, and the Eastern Fathers for Maddox” (4) Let’s take Randy Maddox’s Responsible Grace, for example, which Collins footnotes at the end of this comment. Collins’ comment seems to be an overstatement of what Maddox is trying to do in Responsible Grace. While Responsible Grace is a treatment of Wesley that views him through the lens of the Eastern Fathers, it does so in order to demonstrate their influence on Wesley’s thinking where it is particularly relevant. Maddux certainly does not read Wesley principally through this lens. Rather, Maddox gives an account of Wesley’s theology that demonstrates his understanding of Wesley’s orienting concern: responsible grace.

A wonderful contribution of The Theology of John Wesley is the “Today and Tomorrow” section that concludes each chapter. In these essays, Collins develops the contemporary implications of many of the ideas he explores. In “Conversion Revisited” Collins offers a particularly powerful reminder, “For E. Stanley Jones, the acid test of the validity of a Christian church is ‘whether it can not only convert people from the outside to membership but also produce conversion within its own membership. When it cannot do both, it is on its way out” (231-232).

Ultimately, The Theology of John Wesley: Holy Love and the Shape of Grace is an important contribution to Wesley Studies due to its passion for demonstrating the coherence and legitimacy of Wesleyan Theology, and its desire to see Wesley’s practical theology continue to benefit the church. Collins summarizes Wesley’s practical theology, “It proclaimed nothing less than liberty to the captives as well as the acceptable year of the Lord. It offered succor where there was neglect; hope where there was despair; love where there was none. Pastorally sensitive without diminishing the high calling of the gospel, Wesley developed a ministry that was marked by a sophisticated balance, a balance that evidenced nothing less than abiding holy love, the very emblem of historic Methodism itself” (330-331). This is a grand vision that is worthy of contemporary Wesleyan denominations’ best efforts to reclaim.

The Weakness of Modern Christianity

14 Wednesday Nov 2007

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In Soul Talk, Larry Crabb makes the following comment:

“The weakness of modern Christianity, with its shallow worship and rootless excitement and crowd-friendly relevance, can be traced to one assumption: We think God’s Spirit was sent to earth to give us the happiness that blessings bring” (220).

He continues:

“Now we’re in competition with every other religion and self-help movement and political ideology to produce the good life. It’s a competition we cannot win, because Christ never promised us the blessings of heaven till we get there” (221).

One more:

“Modern Christianity has dramatically reversed its ancient form by assuming that the Spirit is moving toward giving us a good life (as we define it) more than growing Christ in us” (221-222).

These are some pretty hard hitting thoughts. Is Larry Crabb right? Has American Christianity essentially puts its greatest hope for faith in Christ in the idol of comfortability? Are we putting things of secondary importance above our relationship with Christ and trust in God’s will? What do you think?

Get to the Point (More on Soul Talk)

13 Tuesday Nov 2007

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In my last post about Larry Crabb’s book Soul Talk: The Language God Longs for Us to Speak, I was probably a little bit too critical. I have continued to read in the book and this morning I was convinced that what Crabb is trying to do at a basic level is very, very important. I hope my comments in my last post don’t overshadow that. At the risk of missing the point myself, here is what I think Crabb is trying to do:

So often when we talk to one another about life, we are not actually talking about what is really going on with us at the deepest level. Sometimes that is because we ourselves are not aware of what is really going on, other times it is because we are afraid to let others in, and sometimes we are testing the water – giving a little bit of information to see how the listener will respond. And so often in life our priorities get mixed up. We put good things (family, friends, jobs, etc.) ahead of the most important thing – loving God. The idea is that we are often obsessed with ourselves when we should be obsessed with God.

I think the main point of this book is that Crabb is trying to push the reader to a realization of how deeply each and every one of us needs God. How desperately we need God. And how quickly and deceptively we can convince ourselves that we don’t. Every day there are literally thousands of things that lure us away from depending on God. Crabb does a wonderful job of illustrating this through several different stories.

So, one of the most powerful things I am getting out of this book is that it is urging us to get to the point. And that first means that we have to realize what is the point (knowing and loving God first) and what is not the point (everything else, if it is coming before knowing and loving God). Crabb believes, and I strongly agree with him, that Soul Talk or Christian conferencing is one of the primary and most powerful vehicles that God uses to help people get to the point.

While the book may not be perfect, I think it is a very important contribution to the church. I would guess that most if not all of us have room to grow in the area of talking to one another in a way that fans the flames of our desire for God.

Continuing to Read SoulTalk, Some Concerns

07 Wednesday Nov 2007

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I have continued to read Larry Crabb’s Soul Talk. This post is a bit awkward for me because I have made an effort on this blog to focus on articulating what I do believe, rather than on focusing on disagreements. But I have also made an attempt to be honest and as transparent as possible.

Having said that, I still find Crabb’s major purpose in this book to be very profound and exciting. However, over the last several chapters I have been disappointed in the direction he has been moving in. In chapters 5-8, I think the word he has used most often is “battle.” The imagery is fairly violent, talking about entering a war zone, fighting a battle, etc. I think Crabb uses this to highlight how much is at stake in the way we converse with one another. I agree completely with this premise. However, I think of my task as more subversive than one of declaring war. My hope is to shift conversations so that before people know it they are speaking out of the deepest desires of their souls, rather than the superficial things that prevent people, and God, from really getting in.

I may be reading too much into this, but I also sense more dualism than I am comfortable with. It almost feels gnostic to me at times. Again, I sense that for Crabb this is because he is writing out of some very powerful personal experiences he has had that are based in his relationship with God. So, my criticism here may be off base.

One final thing I just have to get off my chest. This is possibly the loudest, ugliest book cover I have ever seen! (I say this mostly as a joke, because I now know first hand that authors have essentially zero say in what the cover of their book looks like. But Thomas Nelson, what were you thinking? If I am blinded by the cover, I can’t see to read the book.) You can judge for yourself by looking at the currently reading list to the right.

There is still much that I am connecting with. For example, Crabb writes, “We’re beginning to realize that the journey is not about getting our act together in prayer retreats or counseling sessions or anyplace else; it’s about dropping our masks and facing the terror of living in a world without solutions to our biggest problems and then seeing that we belong in a different world. Then wholeness sneaks up on us” (64). This quote has the gnostic/dualism I already alluded to, but it also makes a good point – as he says elsewhere, we often put second things first.

Crabb writes, “Lodged deep in his soul is the basic agenda of Adam’s children: I want to do something that will make my life better.

Lodged deep in his soul is the basic agenda of God’s children: I want to experience God through whatever means he provides and keep trusting him whether life gets better of not” (74).

Again, I think Crabb helps point out the tension that we face between wanting to be in control, and wanting to know and love God. This is a major strength, Crabb refuses to allow us to settle for a superficial relationship with God. He wants us to go deeper.

I think Crabb sums up the Fall pretty well on p. 78, “He convinced creatures who were designed to enjoy free love from God and to love God and other in return that there was something better: control.” At least for me, that was a powerful reminder of how often I am wrestling control of my life away from God.

Finally, here is another great summary of what Crabb speaks to that really connects with me, “We desire to speak out of our depths into the depths of another, to speak with life-arousing power to other people” (108). Amen! I have found that to be the most meaningful, alive, intimate, and fulfilling experience I can have with another person. It is hard, but an incredible blessing.

I am hoping that Crabb is going to get a bit more concrete in the second half of the book in giving more practical advice about how to move from what he refers to as SelfTalk into SoulTalk.

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